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Also legal, controlled, and regulated drugs can be used and abused in a recreational manner as well such as Benzodiazepines (Ativan, Halcion, Librium, Valium, Xanax), Sleep Medications (Ambien, Sonata, Lunesta), Codeine, Morphine, Methadone, Oxycontin, Percocet, Fentanyl, Amphetamines (Adderall, Dexedrine, Vyvanse) and Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta).
@huffnpuff Yeah, like I mentioned there is literature suggesting a link between smoking pot and mental illness, especially in adolescence. Shrooms definiy changed me, and not necessarily for the worst but not for the best either. It definiy was an experience of a lifetime, but not in a pro-shrooms advocacy way.
Post edited by: huffnpuff, at: 01/04/2013 03:34 AM.
Now homeopathics that say they will cure a little old ladies cancer with a magic potion for only $99.99! That's something to get pissed about.
Post edited by: jayna01, at: 01/04/2013 09:01 AM.
I have no doubts that I have potentially ruined parts of my brain that I'll never get back. I have been clean now since June 14 2009 and I'd advise anyone who suffers bipolar to think seriously about the potential side effects of your recreational drug use. First ever hallucinations (visual anyway) and I FREAKED! I cant say with a straight face that it had something to do with my past drug use. This year I had a major psychotic episode where I was seeing shit and things were moving etc. I had the energy, and was able to go go go. Then I came across acid. It was uncontrolled and destroying my life. I stopped in 2009 after a hospital stay and diagnosis. I never hallucinated on it, but my motivation was huuuge! I could do anything. I had to. WOW! Holy crap that stuff is messed up! I was hooked up until 2009 when I was diagnosed.
Sorry, but substance abuse and alcohol abuse are concomitant with bipolar disorder. So are substance addiction and alcoholism.
@Emiline What was your LSD experience like? I have only done shrooms and everyone ls me that the two are very different. Care to elaborate?.
Post edited by: Emiline, at: 01/04/2013 08:39 AM.
As a case in point, LSD was advocated as a panacea for mental disorders and alcoholism in the 1960's and 1970's. The outcome of that research found LSD to be harmful, rather than helpful.
I agree with you that the reactions can be highly unstable and vary from person to person however they do also provide medicinal marujana for cancer patients so it clearly has some therapeutic effects.
Ever been with someone on antidepressants who are "high" on LSD? Bwahahahaha!!! Zadie.
Not medically acceptable practice? Neither is homeopathy, iridology, naturpathy. Also isn't there some big debate about the legalisation of pot over in colorado/washington atm?. Yet people still all use these without scientific proof of their therapeutic value beyond that of a placebo.
Also not my beliefs or opinions but SCIENCE!
Marijuana has been said to be compley harmless and there is now strong evidence suggesting links to schizophrenia. Drugs are not solely illegal because of "health risks", or no "medical" uses have been found, there is a whole array of reasons, and the more literature you read the more you even wonder how most drugs have been approved, or realize how little we actually know about a drug.
Again, not advocating for them but you can't say that they ALL have no therapeutic value just because they aren't legalised/accepted by western medicine. look at the things they used to do with that 'acceptable' form of medicine. ECT is a good example of this. Medicine is constantly evolving and they are finding uses for LSD and other drugs mentioned.
Speed, coke, ekkys, anything except needles, I was in with a grin!. The main reason I stopped was a lack of motivation. I used mostly to keep my back pain at bay and to calm my racing thoughts (which was ironic as my thoughts would be slower but much much more uncontrolled) and to help me to sleep (insomniac since the age of 13. It never really worked for me, I'd get a little high and maybe a little giggly but never hallucinated or anything like that. I smoked everyday multiple times a day. Through school and work both up until I was diagnosed in 2009. Marijuana was a staple daily requirement for most of my teens.
I just don't believe the drugs you speak of are therapeutic for anybody. Playing with brain chemistry with these drugs is not wise for anyone with mental illness, including bipolar. The outcome of using these substances is unpredictable. It is not acceptable medical practice. If that were the case, the pharmaceutical manufacturers would be all over them.
I don't know if I could not have been clear by saying that "drugs in general are especially a no for those with mental disorders.etc." I also said IN A CONTROLLED SETTING. Also every drug works differently as we always say on this forum, and I simply wanted to know how others have experienced recreational drugs.
This is a variable only licensed, trained professionals (like a psychologist or psychiatrist) can assess. While you may have found a few studies or articles advocating their use, the overwhelming bulk of the literature argues against substance abuse for the mentally ill. The reactions people have to these drugs are highly unpredictable, and largely dependent upon intrapsychic structure.
The point is, if they could market it, they would. Also the pharmacueticals ARE all over them. or some crap like that. They would accused of undermining the morals and ethics of western civilisation. Look at all the weight loss drugs atm, speed in a jar that you can get prescribed from your doctor. The problem is what company in their right mind is going to try and sell LSD to people when it has such a bad wrap.
It was also used as a form of psycho therapy. Also the LSD that was used in the 60s and 70s people up because it was a version of the purer LSD than what is used recreationally nowadays.
I research academic journals like crazy and I always check-out reviews on the latest "diets" and "homeopathic" and generally alternative medical trends, from multiple sources. The procedure is humane and highly effective for depression now, although there are complications with memory sometimes. ECT was only painful and abusive before the use of muscle relaxers. These usually lead to complete "OMG, why aren't we implying this in medical practice" or to "QUACK".
Post edited by: sarahtroy, at: 01/05/2013 12:30 PM.
However, if my drinking ever flips over into the substance abuse range, I will be extremely worried. I practice moderate drinking, because few negative results are known for moderate drinking.
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Just because something is typically used for recreational purposes and is illegal, does not mean that a controlled and regulated version of the drug cannot be therapeutic. Antidepressants, and stimulants might makes us manic or psychotic. Any drug that is not regulated or controlled or that is not produced in a proper lab by proper chemist is dangerous. Anti-psychotics can cause suicidal thoughts, promote weight gain, cause type 2 diabetes and movement disorders. Many approved medications are extremely dangerous, especially many of the drugs we all currently take, even when taken as prescribed.
If that's what someone needs to get through their day as long as it doesn't become and addiction thing. which LSD isnt (not sure on the rest). As was the case with a young man from Aus overseas recently in Bali I think it was. Also avoidant coping strategies such as getting strung out or alcoholism are still coping strategies, even if maladaptive ones. Also most of the cases where people have gone bat-shit and jumped off of rooftops and such are because they are using something laced with other toxins and usually made in poor resourced countries.
Post edited by: rs2009, at: 01/05/2013 07:34 AM.
Post edited by: sarahtroy, at: 01/05/2013 12:45 PM.
At a therapeutic dose this drug works wonders for ADHD and as many know, not all amphetamines are equal (Adderall makes me feel really uncomfortable and does little for my attention issues but Dextredrine is amazing to me). The BEST DRUG to set as an example to sum-up the difference between when a drug is on the street vs. You don't see kids on this drug when taken as prescribed "tweaked out", because it wasn't made in a basement! Another controlled drug like this is "liquid ecstasy" also known as GHB which is sold under the name Xyrem in pharmacological practice, and it is used to treat narcolepsy. one that comes from a controlled lab is methamphetamine, under the brand name Desoxyn.
@ZadieBlue I have never heard about anti-depressants having a blocking effect with LSD but I have heard about that with MDMA/Ecstasy.Lunesta recreational